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This is Jennie's Finale Thread.

All other Jurors should remain in their own threads. Final 3, remember... this is not for you to address each other, but to talk to Jennie. In-fighting amongst the Final 3 should be reserved for the Live Finale Round Table on Sunday.

Jennie, you have until Saturday at 8c/9e to post your statements/questions to the Final 3. Remember not to take up too much of their time as they have 7 other jurors to get to. Please no listing or questions requiring novels for answers. You should post all of your statements/questions in your opening post in this thread. There is a live Finale Roundtable on Sunday where you will get to address everyone live about the statements they have made as well ask follow-ups.
 

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Alright hey guys, first off congrats on making it to the final 3! I think the three of you all played good games but ultimately there can only be one winner. So I've come up with an individualized question for the three of you trying to focus on what I personally would need to know in order to give you all my vote.

James: There's been a lot of talk about you having a poor social game, which even you admit lol. What I want to see you elaborate on is your strategy/social game with different people. From my perspective, even though you did blindside me with your noms, we had a much better social relationship at the time of my boot than you did with most of the rest of the house. Was there a strategic reason why you focused on mending your relationships with certain people over others?

Glyn: You're kind of the opposite of James here where your social game was great with everyone. You made it to the end and didn't really end up with too much blood on your hands. In your speech you mentioned trying to turn me against James and wanting Parker out since he was a threat to our relationship. So I want to know specifically what lies you told me that you think shaped my relationships with others in a way that lead me to favor you. Don't worry about offending me, you can tell me I was a useless sack of shit the entire game and entirely your pawn I don't care lmao. I'm looking for you to pinpoint exactly how you used me and show that it was something that had you not lied to me, wouldn't have happened.

Parker: So I think you were playing phenomenally before your original boot, but when you got back in the game you kind of appeared to fall flat and not really have any power. Some of the other jury members have covered questions about that though. What I want to know from you, is out of the people still in the game upon your return who would have been your ideal final 3 and why? If the people you mention were voted out, did you try to stop it or did you just go with the house to preserve your spot?

Alright good luck guys!!
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Hey Jennie!

I want to start by saying that I do NOT think you are or did I ever think you were a useless sack of shit LMFAO. I dont want to sound like a suckup by the way I just hope I didnt come off like that to you because I wouldn’t want to make you think that. I honestly did not view you as MY pawn or even A pawn by any means, if anything, I think its good to start by prefacing that you were one of the only people in the game that I was extremely unsure of and kinda nervous about the entire time. You were very good at keeping your cards close to your chest and not revealing too much so I was always concerned what you were thinking. The biggest lies I told you and the ones I was referring to in the speech was the ones I told you about James after he put Amanda up and not Adam and you were fuming with him. Up until this point in the game, I was nervous because Parker came back and I thought that you were gonna be a trio with him and spiral, or that you would lean on James as a clutch in the game instead of me. So when I saw the moment you were fuming with him, I knew I had to jump in there to burn that bridge with him and keep building the one with you and me; this was also so that if you were to win HOH, you would feel more inclined to nominate him. When I told you that James was telling me how I need to be worried about the trio of you, Parker, and spiral, and when I also said that he told me you said my name to him as a replacement nominee, those were lies. The quote I sent you that said something along the lines of “I would put Glyn up as a replacement” that “James sent me” that you “sent him” was just a quote I also made up. A lie that I thought was really helpful was when I asked you if James and you had a final 2 and that he told me you did, when I had absolutely no idea nor did I hear anything about you guys having a final 2. That was solely something I was skeptical of and I asked you to see if you would admit it if its true and it was. In addition, when you nominated Adam I was giving you fake information of things I heard he was saying that were nothing really substantial, but it was to make you think that I was giving you everything I heard and that you could really rely on me. My main goal in lying to you was mainly that you could put all your trust into me and we could fully make our way to the end of the game together. I never did that with any malicious intent, especially the meg and James relationship we developed. I always loved being a friend of yours and I always thought we had good conversations and I had to make sure that you would bat for me seeing as the numbers were starting to dwindle. I think that had the eviction not played out the way it did, I would like to believe you gained more trust in me and you would've fought to go to the end with me. I could be wrong but that's what I think would have happened!

Other than that hope all is well Jennie!

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Glyn wrote: Sat May 29, 2021 9:14:26 pm Hey Jennie!

I want to start by saying that I do NOT think you are or did I ever think you were a useless sack of shit LMFAO. I dont want to sound like a suckup by the way I just hope I didnt come off like that to you because I wouldn’t want to make you think that. I honestly did not view you as MY pawn or even A pawn by any means, if anything, I think its good to start by prefacing that you were one of the only people in the game that I was extremely unsure of and kinda nervous about the entire time. You were very good at keeping your cards close to your chest and not revealing too much so I was always concerned what you were thinking. The biggest lies I told you and the ones I was referring to in the speech was the ones I told you about James after he put Amanda up and not Adam and you were fuming with him. Up until this point in the game, I was nervous because Parker came back and I thought that you were gonna be a trio with him and spiral, or that you would lean on James as a clutch in the game instead of me. So when I saw the moment you were fuming with him, I knew I had to jump in there to burn that bridge with him and keep building the one with you and me; this was also so that if you were to win HOH, you would feel more inclined to nominate him. When I told you that James was telling me how I need to be worried about the trio of you, Parker, and spiral, and when I also said that he told me you said my name to him as a replacement nominee, those were lies. The quote I sent you that said something along the lines of “I would put Glyn up as a replacement” that “James sent me” that you “sent him” was just a quote I also made up. A lie that I thought was really helpful was when I asked you if James and you had a final 2 and that he told me you did, when I had absolutely no idea nor did I hear anything about you guys having a final 2. That was solely something I was skeptical of and I asked you to see if you would admit it if its true and it was. In addition, when you nominated Adam I was giving you fake information of things I heard he was saying that were nothing really substantial, but it was to make you think that I was giving you everything I heard and that you could really rely on me. My main goal in lying to you was mainly that you could put all your trust into me and we could fully make our way to the end of the game together. I never did that with any malicious intent, especially the meg and James relationship we developed. I always loved being a friend of yours and I always thought we had good conversations and I had to make sure that you would bat for me seeing as the numbers were starting to dwindle. I think that had the eviction not played out the way it did, I would like to believe you gained more trust in me and you would've fought to go to the end with me. I could be wrong but that's what I think would have happened!

Other than that hope all is well Jennie!

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OMG you got me good ngl. Thank you and good luck!!!
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Thank you Jennie for the question. I’ll be the first to admit that my game pre and post eviction was drastically different, maybe remaining the “underdog” was a poor decision but I believe it was best for my game at that time since I had no idea how you all were going to react to me coming back. I already touched upon my reasoning for my game moves in the late game with other questions, so I hope they will be enough for you to understand my point of view and why I believe I didn’t just let things happen to preserve my spot (not that you are accusing me of that I don’t think, just want to clarify). My ideal Final Three would have been Amanda and Jen. If we’re talking about everyone left since I came back in the game, despite how close I was with you and Spiral, I couldn’t even think of bringing you two to the end since you both played amazing games. I didn’t want Adam for obvious reasons, although maybe objectively he would have been a good bet since he might not have got any votes. I didn’t want Glyn because from my point of view, I still had no read on what his game really was besides the fact that I knew he was playing a great undercover game. I was also worried that jury would just make it a popularity vote and give him the win but after considering who was on the jury (the majority of the people who played super hard), I knew you guys would be objective. James would be an okay person to bring to the end as I believe that his social game was dead in the water but he had comps on his side so that’s why in the end my ideal F3 would be Amanda and Jen. Jen was an easy pawn to bring to the end and didn’t do any big moves socially (at least from what I could see) and would ensure more votes for me. I wanted to bring Amanda as well because I believed her hostility against some of the members in the jury would work in my favour, she also didn’t have a crazy comp record and I believe that my strategic and social game would have stood out better. And to answer the second part, I literally had no say in either or going home so I’m sorry I can’t elaborate, Jen was removed by BB and Amanda lost the duel, so there’s nothing I could have done to ensure they stayed.
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Parker wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 9:27:53 am Thank you Jennie for the question. I’ll be the first to admit that my game pre and post eviction was drastically different, maybe remaining the “underdog” was a poor decision but I believe it was best for my game at that time since I had no idea how you all were going to react to me coming back. I already touched upon my reasoning for my game moves in the late game with other questions, so I hope they will be enough for you to understand my point of view and why I believe I didn’t just let things happen to preserve my spot (not that you are accusing me of that I don’t think, just want to clarify). My ideal Final Three would have been Amanda and Jen. If we’re talking about everyone left since I came back in the game, despite how close I was with you and Spiral, I couldn’t even think of bringing you two to the end since you both played amazing games. I didn’t want Adam for obvious reasons, although maybe objectively he would have been a good bet since he might not have got any votes. I didn’t want Glyn because from my point of view, I still had no read on what his game really was besides the fact that I knew he was playing a great undercover game. I was also worried that jury would just make it a popularity vote and give him the win but after considering who was on the jury (the majority of the people who played super hard), I knew you guys would be objective. James would be an okay person to bring to the end as I believe that his social game was dead in the water but he had comps on his side so that’s why in the end my ideal F3 would be Amanda and Jen. Jen was an easy pawn to bring to the end and didn’t do any big moves socially (at least from what I could see) and would ensure more votes for me. I wanted to bring Amanda as well because I believed her hostility against some of the members in the jury would work in my favour, she also didn’t have a crazy comp record and I believe that my strategic and social game would have stood out better. And to answer the second part, I literally had no say in either or going home so I’m sorry I can’t elaborate, Jen was removed by BB and Amanda lost the duel, so there’s nothing I could have done to ensure they stayed.
Perfect, thank you and good luck!!
 

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Jennie,

Thanks for the question Jennie and thanks for being patient with my response. I think I answered a lot of this just through my answers to Amanda and Aisleyne and others. But I’m glad to provide more detail on my social game and give some thoughts on my relationships with other individuals on the jury. I do want to say, I don’t think I agree my social game was bad or terrible. I think I made social mistakes. But I think I had genuine bonds with people that helped me in the game and in my opinion can be the foundation of real post-game relationships. I understand there’s some tension between me saying I want to be friends but also saying I was willing to burn anyone in the game. But for me game moves against a person don’t mean the personal relationships were fake. Maybe not everyone sees it that way. But that’s how I do. I legitimately enjoyed bonding with people over things like the circle, even if I had as also trying to benefit my game in the process.

Like I said in other answers, I think social game can’t really be separated from strategic game. I feel like the social game I had served my strategic game and helped me get here. Whether it was perfect at forming deep bonds wasn’t as important to me as if it served my strategic game. But I think I did enough to keep the relationships open and working so that when I needed to work with someone, I was able to make deals.

Here are a few examples of my social game quickly and how I used social bonds to make strategic moves:

Jennie: You asked why I tried to reconcile with you. Part of that was game. You were a big challenge threat at that point and I thought maybe eventually you would see Glyn Amanda and Spiral as threats to target over me if I invested in us. And as you were going out of the game it paid off in that you were willing to give me a lot of information on Amanda and Glyn I found helpful. But beyond game I just genuinely felt bad about my moves and not keeping you in the loop about things. You were the first final 2 I made so I felt I owed you something. I felt like we really did get along as upstate New York people and there were a lot of times in the game we were on the same page. And I felt much better about you actually trusting me than Amanda or Glyn. Part of that was that you were more authentic in your hurt ane confusion about the moves I made. Amanda and Glyn almost glossed over it too easily.

Sezer: I built a bond with Sezer by speaking Spanish to each other and I tried to take little steps to show I trusted him. Whether that was speaking Spanish or telling him I know Steve Moses, which is something I shared with a few people to let them in on more personal information and to show trust.

Adam: I feel like I was able to mirror Adam’s energy and passion and it worked for us. We bonded over things like sports or just talking about life experiences. This allowed me and Adam to build a bond that later became a final two and then became my biggest shield and ally in the late game.

Glyn: Glyn is clearly pissed at me right now but in the game we really did maintain a personal relationship, talking for hours some times. Even if we never trusted each other, just keeping open lines of communication helped me make a deal to keep me safe when Glyn won HOH.

Sheila: see my answer to her question.

Jen: Jen and my relationship started as flirty but our flirting as developed into trust and we did work together on votes and in building an alliance with Adam.

Susie: even though Susie was my apparent “enemy” with me nominating her, I kept a working relationship with her open and stayed friendly (didn’t alienate) and eventually we joined an alliance together and I was able to stay off the block.

Amanda: we really did have a good bond and talked about how we felt similar to each other and our thoughts on politics, etc. I think I didn’t invest as much in my relationship with her after e Aisleyne vote out because it just really seemed like Amanda was not interested in working with me seriously any more. Her talks became very superficial with me. So yeah maybe I didn’t invest as much here as the game went on. But it’s also because I felt our opposing positions were sealed game wise.

Sorry I can’t get to more but I’m at a wedding lolz. But hopefully I can answer more during the live portion. The point is that I don’t feel I was a complete ass to anyone but I definitely put more effort into relationships that had more promise in the game. Like with Aisleyne in some ways it could have been better just for me to have an apparent “enemy or target” in the game than trying to rebuild the relationship when I didn’t think we could reasonably reestanlish trust.

Thank you and I can’t wait to meet you outside the game.

James
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James wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 7:19:56 pm Jennie,

Thanks for the question Jennie and thanks for being patient with my response. I think I answered a lot of this just through my answers to Amanda and Aisleyne and others. But I’m glad to provide more detail on my social game and give some thoughts on my relationships with other individuals on the jury. I do want to say, I don’t think I agree my social game was bad or terrible. I think I made social mistakes. But I think I had genuine bonds with people that helped me in the game and in my opinion can be the foundation of real post-game relationships. I understand there’s some tension between me saying I want to be friends but also saying I was willing to burn anyone in the game. But for me game moves against a person don’t mean the personal relationships were fake. Maybe not everyone sees it that way. But that’s how I do. I legitimately enjoyed bonding with people over things like the circle, even if I had as also trying to benefit my game in the process.

Like I said in other answers, I think social game can’t really be separated from strategic game. I feel like the social game I had served my strategic game and helped me get here. Whether it was perfect at forming deep bonds wasn’t as important to me as if it served my strategic game. But I think I did enough to keep the relationships open and working so that when I needed to work with someone, I was able to make deals.

Here are a few examples of my social game quickly and how I used social bonds to make strategic moves:

Jennie: You asked why I tried to reconcile with you. Part of that was game. You were a big challenge threat at that point and I thought maybe eventually you would see Glyn Amanda and Spiral as threats to target over me if I invested in us. And as you were going out of the game it paid off in that you were willing to give me a lot of information on Amanda and Glyn I found helpful. But beyond game I just genuinely felt bad about my moves and not keeping you in the loop about things. You were the first final 2 I made so I felt I owed you something. I felt like we really did get along as upstate New York people and there were a lot of times in the game we were on the same page. And I felt much better about you actually trusting me than Amanda or Glyn. Part of that was that you were more authentic in your hurt ane confusion about the moves I made. Amanda and Glyn almost glossed over it too easily.

Sezer: I built a bond with Sezer by speaking Spanish to each other and I tried to take little steps to show I trusted him. Whether that was speaking Spanish or telling him I know Steve Moses, which is something I shared with a few people to let them in on more personal information and to show trust.

Adam: I feel like I was able to mirror Adam’s energy and passion and it worked for us. We bonded over things like sports or just talking about life experiences. This allowed me and Adam to build a bond that later became a final two and then became my biggest shield and ally in the late game.

Glyn: Glyn is clearly pissed at me right now but in the game we really did maintain a personal relationship, talking for hours some times. Even if we never trusted each other, just keeping open lines of communication helped me make a deal to keep me safe when Glyn won HOH.

Sheila: see my answer to her question.

Jen: Jen and my relationship started as flirty but our flirting as developed into trust and we did work together on votes and in building an alliance with Adam.

Susie: even though Susie was my apparent “enemy” with me nominating her, I kept a working relationship with her open and stayed friendly (didn’t alienate) and eventually we joined an alliance together and I was able to stay off the block.

Amanda: we really did have a good bond and talked about how we felt similar to each other and our thoughts on politics, etc. I think I didn’t invest as much in my relationship with her after e Aisleyne vote out because it just really seemed like Amanda was not interested in working with me seriously any more. Her talks became very superficial with me. So yeah maybe I didn’t invest as much here as the game went on. But it’s also because I felt our opposing positions were sealed game wise.

Sorry I can’t get to more but I’m at a wedding lolz. But hopefully I can answer more during the live portion. The point is that I don’t feel I was a complete ass to anyone but I definitely put more effort into relationships that had more promise in the game. Like with Aisleyne in some ways it could have been better just for me to have an apparent “enemy or target” in the game than trying to rebuild the relationship when I didn’t think we could reasonably reestanlish trust.

Thank you and I can’t wait to meet you outside the game.

James
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