[BB Alpha]

This is Spiral's Finale Thread.

All other Jurors should remain in their own threads. Final 3, remember... this is not for you to address each other, but to talk to Apiral. In-fighting amongst the Final 3 should be reserved for the Live Finale Round Table on Sunday.

Spiral, you have until Saturday at 8c/9e to post your statements/questions to the Final 3. Remember not to take up too much of their time as they have 7 other jurors to get to. Please no listing or questions requiring novels for answers. You should post all of your statements/questions in your opening post in this thread. There is a live Finale Roundtable on Sunday where you will get to address everyone live about the statements they have made as well ask follow-ups.

[Spiral]

Hey guys! congrats on making final 3! I'm proud of all 3 of you. I apologize I'm posting late, I had to take the time to read the novels y'all wrote . Firstly, one thing I'm asking from EACH OF YOU is to tell me your favorite BB player (US or Canada preferably) that exemplifies your game. You don't have to explain it, I just think its fun.

James, you played a great game winning comps to save yourself. I am not condemning you yet, But I want to know about the times you told unnecessary lies. I'm not talking about deals or backdoors. I'm talking about the times when you put people up on the nomination block, specifically post-veto with glyn and Amanda, without even the courtesy of TELLING them. What was your strategy in not telling them they'd be going on the block? Because from my point of view, it was a move that damaged your reputation a lot.

Parker, you're my boy, and we played this whole game together, except between the time you were voted out and came back. You've told us about all the moves you made together with your alliances, Me, Aiselyne, Chelsia, etc. But what is one move that PARKER made without his alliance? something to protect yourself or further your own game?

Glyn, i had to rewrite your question because of everything you talked about in your speech. You played an almost flawless social game in my eyes, I think we played very similar games to be quite honest. I think you are the most deserving player in this final 3 and deserve to win based almost entirely on how you interlocked your likability with your strategic choices. Even when not making the moves people wanted you to, you still maintained a bond with them and that is impressive. I loved seeing your honesty throughout the game but I want to know what was the best lie you told? We all told lies, despite our mostly honest games (me with the chelsia incident for example) So which lie do you think helped you the most? Early or Late-game.

Once again congrats all 3 of you guys!
@Glyn
@Parker
@James
@Amanda (cause we know she loves gossip )

[Glyn]

Hey Spiral!

Thank you for saying that about my game, I really appreciate the compliment! I think my best lie in the whole game was when Richard got eliminated and I portrayed myself to be completely alone and isolated(hahaa get it) from everyone. I think this was such a good lie because as I mentioned in my speech, when you are visibly alone and angry with people in this type of game, someones gonna try to rope you into their alliance. While I was 100% mad with how the Richard eviction went down, I was certainly not alone as I still had a few people I could trust, such as my girl Amanda, but everyone else I played up the fact that I had no allies. From that point forward I told so many people that I’m just floating and I have no idea what I’m doing. I said this in my diary room but I basically wanted to seem like a lost puppy and I just needed some guidance LMFAO. I also lied to almost everyone about how truly mad I was at James. I was furious that he nominated me and Richard, however, when the dust was settled I knew I still needed him to believe that I was willing to work with him in fear that he would target me in the future. So I told James that I’m willing to work with him still but I am going to play up the fact that I hate him to everybody so they would not pair us together, and if word got back around to James he would tell me about it. I also used a similar tactic like this during Susies HOH and when she originally won POV. I was telling her and Adam that I have nobody, I do not have any alliances and that I’m struggling to stay alive in this game. I wanted everyone to feel like I was a lost cause when really, I had a strong idea of what was going on in the game. I believe this lie of loneliness helped me so much because I feel like it made me more approachable for people like you for example haha to want to trust me, and keep the target off of me. It allowed me to form new bonds as well and also deepen already made bonds. I think it allowed people to underestimate me a lot when truly I feel like I had one of the strongest ideas of what was going on in the game; hence why I won the “In-Crowd” competition and got almost every single question right because I was very aware of everyones thought process!

Again, none of this is to sound cocky lol. Hope this helps and thank you Spiral!


Im just posting gifs of things I bonded with people over during the game LOL

[Spiral]

Thanks for the answer Glyn, I think this lie did pay off for you :)

[Amanda]

Okay. I just want to comment on the meme, because I literally felt like I did something similar to Spiral in the Prisoners Dilemma.. XD

[James]

Hola Spiral,

To start, the BB player I think my game ended up most like is Paul from BB18 (not BB19, dear god). We both aligned ourselves with large challenge threats as the “less-threatening” ally so that we would stay if both put up in those scenarios. (Paul used Paulie and Victor in this way.) I know people have questioned my ties with Chelsia and Adam, but I think they paid off . Obviously, each was a bigger target and went out before me. But also I I used their influence to keep me off the block (during your hoh I think my ties with Chels helped me and then during Susie’s hoh my ties with Adam helped). Although I do wish the prisoner's dilemma hadn't happened and chels would have stayed and won HOH like we all knew she could.

Turning next to your question about not telling Glyn and Amanda I was putting them up.. To start, I did tell Glyn he was going up. Granted it was right before I put him up, but I didn’t have much time. But if your question is, why did I not tell anyone Glyn was potentially going to be a pawn pre-veto or that my plan was to boot Richard, that was intentional. (1) There was a strong possibility Richard wins veto or is taken off, in which case I didn’t want people to know he was my target, since he was super connected. I also told him he was a pawn so maybe he wouldn’t hate me so much if he came off the block. (2) Glyn and Amanda were extremely close to Richard obviously (and I wasn’t 100% sure about Jennie), so I thought they would try to save Richard if they knew the plan. The only people I told about targeting Richard were Adam and Sheila since they had both been skeptical of Richard. If I told Glyn/Amanda/Jennie my plan they might gun for veto and try to save Richard. (3) As I said in my introduction, I was trying to make a move to change the trajectory of the game. I saw Richard’s relationships, and Amanda and Glyn’s many bonds and didn’t see me making it past final 8 or 9. I wanted to blow those things up and force people to lay their cards on the table. And importantly I felt in a short fast forwarded eviction putting Richard up against Glyn as an unexpected choice would force people to immediately pick sides and lay their true priorities bare. I hoped it might also lead to certain B group people choosing to keep richard over glyn, potentially blowing up glyn’s ties with them. And, having Glyn campaign for Richard pre-veto was a perfect outcome for me because it showed Glyn’s ties to Richard and then immediately would force him to counter campaign, which I was hoping would make Glyn himself seem untrustworthy or inconsistent. So I had reasons for doing what I did and not telling who I didn’t want to tell. I probably should have told Jennie but like I said I still didn’t know how close she was to Richard. But I don’t think it hurt my bonds with Adam, Sheila, Sezer, or Jen. And I already felt Glyn and Amanda didn’t trust me after the Chelsia situation, so I wasn’t super worried about damaging myself with them. Plus I honestly felt Glyn was 100% safe given Mega7’s votes. And I want to repeat, as much as people say this move “ruined” my social game, I was never even nominated until final 7. At which point glyn had already been nominated twice and Parker had been voted out.

Not telling Amanda she was going up with the Ais move was a little more questionable. I honestly don't remember if I told Amanda specifically before I nominated her or right after. But either way, I already knew she didn't trust me since we had a "final 2" but she constantly lied to me, gave me no info, and never strategized with me other than being like "Mega7!." My same answers from the Rich/Glyn round also apply here (1) it was a quick double, (2) I wanted to force people to show their cards (Ais vs. Amanda), like for people to see how hard Glyn would or wouldn't try to save Amanda or maybe you (Spiral) would or wouldn’t try to save Ais. Jennie even exposed herself a bit in trying to save Ais. (4) I had made a plan with Adam where he was going to use the veto on you to lock in a bond with you if he won or I would try to encourage people to use the veto on you (Jennie decided herself but I would have pushed it if needed). If people knew Ais was my target they might try to save her or maybe even keep noms the same and vote you out, honestly. So that was the plan. But again, the key was trying to expose people’s priorities and bonds and maybe force there to be new big targets. Also, to be clear, if Ais was taken off the block, I would have likely still put up Amanda and acted like you (Spiral) were my big target. And yes I should have told Jennie, but at this point everyone DEFINITELY viewed me as the second biggest threat after Adam. So I felt blowing things up further could only help me.

James

[Spiral]

Thanks for your answers James, I look forward to hearing more of your game by reading other question threads and seeing what you have to say in the live FTC.

[Parker]

Hey man, I appreciate the question. Since modern BBUS is the worst thing to hit TV in the last 5 years, I’ll have to pick someone from BBCAN. I think I best portrayed a mix of Tychon and Kiefer from BBCAN9. Hell, I’ll even go as far to say that this F3 is the exact same F3 as BBCAN9 with myself as Tychon (and Kiefer), Glyn as Breydon and James as Tera. James would be Tera because he had the worst social game of the season, but won his way to the end with comps. Glyn would be Breydon since he’s loyal to a tee to Amanda (i.e Breydon being loyal to Austin) and played a very undercover game making moves coasting from alliance to alliance as benefits him. But I’m a mix of Tychon (the winner) and Kiefer for multiple reasons. I’m Kiefer because I played every single side of the house, I was trying to position myself to gain info in every single way possible and associate myself with the groups that would bring me to this spot. Hence why I had no hesitation making a “truce” with James, turning to Jennie, talking to Susie (in the early game), joining the boys alliance, etc. I’m Tychon in a way because even though he only won one big comp (the last HOH, similar to me just winning the battle back), he was positioned as the third wheel in the alliance/showmance running the house. No one ever suspected him, he was the brains of that alliance and made sure the moves they made were wise. Now I want all of the jury to step back, and think. I associated myself with Spiral, Aisleyne and Chelsia and then let myself sneak back into the background. Was that by design? Absolutely. I’m sure some of you may not believe me and just scream “hindsight is 20/20” and hell, maybe I played the strategy too well and no one truly saw me as a threat. By design I associated myself with people that were comp beasts, people that were clear and vibrant names, I was the one that then ensured when we reconvened as an alliance, that the moves made best benefitted my game (see all my other answers for examples). That’s why I believe I’m a mix of Tychon and Kiefer.


I think one thing I need to make clear is that you can’t be as independent in BB as you can in other games (such as Survivor). It’s practically impossible to be a lone wolf in such a social game as Big Brother. Realistically, at the end of the day and as cliche as it sounds, all the moves I made were to advance my game. Bring Parker one step closer to the end. You don’t win BB with your alliance. You don’t win BB with your bromance. You have to win alone. And I believe that yes, many of the moves I did benefitted my alliance, but the main objective was to bring me to the end (as selfish as it sounds, I’m sure everyone had this same mindset realistically). If you want me to point to specific scenarios, just look at the merge. I wanted to expand my presence in the game. Obviously, Group A had a different plan. But I was positioning myself to be able to survive in case Lemonaid Stand was destroyed. Making the move to align with Sezer and create an alliance with him was my idea, I brought you in just to ensure that trust was maintained and to prove to Sezer I was serious. I got extremely close with Richard and Jennie. Jennie and I are the creators of that short lived cross-group alliance with you, me, Aisleyne, Richard, Jennie and Glyn. That was, again, to collect info but also act as a backup to ensure I was staying positioned highly in the house (having an alliance that you hardly trust, since they wanted B group out, is better than no alliance at all in this game).

Also, just look at Jennie’s and your eviction. I’m not gonna sit here and pretend I brainwashed you, but I remember I had a heavy hand in convincing people that Jennie was the next wise choice to go. I was also the birdie in James’ ear telling him to put you up. And I was the deciding vote in whether you went or not. I knew you both played flawless games and I had to take you both out. That was to advance my game and that didn’t benefit you at all (for obvious reasons).

[Glyn]

Oh shit, I forgot to answer that very first part of the question about the big brother player after reading the others response. I would say that the best player to exemplify how I played this season is Cody Calafiore from BB16/BB22. I would say him because in both seasons he played, his social game was extremely strong and I can relate to that heavy. In addition, he obviously had a number 1 he made on day 1 that he stayed loyal to until the very end like I did with Amanda. I also think more apparently in BB22, he was always in the know of what's going on and he helped play a key factor in so many of the votes and I think I did too. He was much more strategic with how he went through with his social connections and making targets and... he really wasn't a comp beast so that has to perfect LMFAO! (kidding lol) Cody was also in the majority of every vote of his season that he was allowed to vote in, just like me who never voted in minority once! That's not to say I followed the majority, it's to emphasize I made sure the majority was with me and I was never in the dark!

Sorry about the second response LOL

[Spiral]

Thanks for your answer Parker, I appreciate you standing by the game you played, its what I like to see.

and thanks for finishing yours too Glyn, I was too polite to remind you