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Glyn wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 8:33:34 pm
Adam wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 8:30:26 pm I think even I would agree Glyn had a better social game, it's why he's there. He played the best social game in the house. I'm arguing James did not have a bad one. If James had a bad social game, he would have been out earlier. But he was able to slime his way through alliances and always had a bigger target in the house. He was more entertaining than Glyn.
Ill be the first to admit that I am a pretty boring personality. I said it in all my DR's thats why I thanked the hosts for giving me the chance because im not a promising figure in the sense of entertainment and I get that. Im 19 and I go to college... crazy I know LMFAO. However, this game is not about being the most entertaining its getting to this point in the game doing the best of what you were capable of doing and I think I did that. I dont think I played it safe I made risks when I needed to do and I definitely dont think I sat back and watched the house do shit
Taking out the king would have been huge but Jennie went on that roll she gets the credit. You won late game comps and had an amazing social game. You played great. James had an absolutely legendary season, the fans will be shocked if you get this win.
 

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Parker wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 8:28:16 pm
Amanda wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 8:21:11 pm @Parker

I need you to explain this strategy to me, because I don't think you were honest with the second question I had.
I have a really big problem with the way that you answered that.

I want to know why you were evicted, Sezer fucking up his vote isn't why, it's the tip of the iceberg.
I want to know why you were you nominated.
I want to know why you had 4 votes coming at you.
I want to know why you lied to @Susie saying that you had my vote, swaying her in the shah vote.
I want to know why you did something similar when you were on the block.
This seemed to be somewhat of a strategy? But I don't see you mention it.
1. I think Glyn answered this question already but I was basically running B side (without sounding too cocky). Glyn saw that I had my hand in every single cookie jar and he was scared of me. Adam was easy to manipulate because two B people would be going up anyways, and Adam put me up after Glyn pitched it (from what I can gather).
2. See question 1. You were tied to the hip to Glyn, so you we're going to vote with him, Susie was with Adam, Sheila I never talked to and so on and so forth.
3. I don't recall that exact conversation. But if I told someone else that I had your vote for shah it's probably because I either heard it straight from you or through word of mouth. I never made up something like that.
4. I do recall saying that I had your vote during my eviction, but that was an honest mistake on my behalf. I misread what Jennie sent me a few minutes before the ceremony and I used it to convince Sezer. Afterwards, Jennie corrected me (and she can testify to that) and then I rectified with Sezer.
5. It wasn't. It was an honest mistake. I misread Jennie's message (or it was a typo, I forget) and then I rectified.
Yes, can confirm that Parker had misread the first message I sent him regarding the votes. He responded to it and it was a little while before I got back to the message thread with him to correct him. As far as I know that was a genuine mistake and not Parker lying about what votes he had.
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Parker wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 8:33:57 pm
Adam wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 8:30:26 pm I think even I would agree Glyn had a better social game, it's why he's there. He played the best social game in the house. I'm arguing James did not have a bad one. If James had a bad social game, he would have been out earlier. But he was able to slime his way through alliances and always had a bigger target in the house. He was more entertaining than Glyn.
That's literally factually incorrect. And you're even disagreeing with James' himself by saying this. Even he admits that comps in the end game is what got him here. He won his way to the end (BBCAN5 Kevin style, even with the horrible social game which is a bonus).
Yeah I don't have to agree with anyone bro the game is over
 

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Adam wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 8:34:55 pm
Glyn wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 8:33:34 pm
Adam wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 8:30:26 pm I think even I would agree Glyn had a better social game, it's why he's there. He played the best social game in the house. I'm arguing James did not have a bad one. If James had a bad social game, he would have been out earlier. But he was able to slime his way through alliances and always had a bigger target in the house. He was more entertaining than Glyn.
Ill be the first to admit that I am a pretty boring personality. I said it in all my DR's thats why I thanked the hosts for giving me the chance because im not a promising figure in the sense of entertainment and I get that. Im 19 and I go to college... crazy I know LMFAO. However, this game is not about being the most entertaining its getting to this point in the game doing the best of what you were capable of doing and I think I did that. I dont think I played it safe I made risks when I needed to do and I definitely dont think I sat back and watched the house do shit
Taking out the king would have been huge but Jennie went on that roll she gets the credit. You won late game comps and had an amazing social game. You played great. James had an absolutely legendary season, the fans will be shocked if you get this win.
How do we know what the "fans" want? Paras was who the fans wanted over Kaela right?
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@Spiral I believe that becoming friends with you was one of the better strategic moves I made this entire game. Once Natalie was taken out, I already felt a bit close to you and I knew we had to maintain an alliance of 4 to keep some semblance of power in the house and so I brought you in. I felt like we bonded early on as we were both super easy going. Turns out, you were good at comps and I had to use that to my advantage. I wanted to maintain my relationship with you once the Lemonaid Stand crumbled and that's what I did, I knew I could also use you to get in with the A side despite the A vs B war going on (and it worked to a certain extent). When it was time to cut, I had to unfortunately cut you.

Our friendship was real but also strategic on my behalf.
 

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Jennie wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 8:32:31 pm
Glyn wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 8:25:52 pm
Jennie wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 8:23:13 pm @Glyn Good points in your speech but I do want to clarify something in the effort of fairness. I did actually want you and Amanda separated and tried to get her booted when she was up against Ais. It was when I realized that I wasn't going to get anywhere during that particularly vote that I retconned and did damage control, saying that I didn't want her to go, was just emotional etc. So I will say that James' efforts did influence me.

Also Sezer told me after the fact his vote was for Aisleyne but I don't think we'll be able to come to a solid conclusion on which way he actually voted until after the season lol
Wait what are you exactly referring to for reference in my speech? LOL sorry I just dont know what part haha
LOL it was this quote in your conclusion "Another example is in his speech when he said he planted seeds to Jennie and Sezer about how dangerous Amanda and I were when that move really holds no value because Jennie nor Sezer turned on Amanda and I the entire game so making note of that seems pointless."

From the one you gave just now, not your opening one obviously. Kind of a nit-picky thing but he did actually get me to try and turn on y'all, just didn't pan out for various reasons that don't have to do with him.
Ohh gotcha no yeah im sure he did do damage with not trusting us haha. I just felt like the point in general was invaluable because nothing really came out of it (like we never backstabbed you or vice versa). However, if that would've played out in the future then thats true I can see you also going against us. I can accept where im wrong 😅
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Adam wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 8:34:55 pm
Glyn wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 8:33:34 pm
Adam wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 8:30:26 pm I think even I would agree Glyn had a better social game, it's why he's there. He played the best social game in the house. I'm arguing James did not have a bad one. If James had a bad social game, he would have been out earlier. But he was able to slime his way through alliances and always had a bigger target in the house. He was more entertaining than Glyn.
Ill be the first to admit that I am a pretty boring personality. I said it in all my DR's thats why I thanked the hosts for giving me the chance because im not a promising figure in the sense of entertainment and I get that. Im 19 and I go to college... crazy I know LMFAO. However, this game is not about being the most entertaining its getting to this point in the game doing the best of what you were capable of doing and I think I did that. I dont think I played it safe I made risks when I needed to do and I definitely dont think I sat back and watched the house do shit
Taking out the king would have been huge but Jennie went on that roll she gets the credit. You won late game comps and had an amazing social game. You played great. James had an absolutely legendary season, the fans will be shocked if you get this win.
I do not think thats fair to say though because I feel like he did not play that strong social game. There was so much flashy big moves which I will admit are admirable that I wrote in my novel he did play a good game in that sense. I do not think that should take away that my game is different, it has more depth, and I did more behind the scenes work. Maybe thats not the most interesting thing but I think there is something to be said about that!
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Parker wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 8:36:12 pm @Spiral I believe that becoming friends with you was one of the better strategic moves I made this entire game. Once Natalie was taken out, I already felt a bit close to you and I knew we had to maintain an alliance of 4 to keep some semblance of power in the house and so I brought you in. I felt like we bonded early on as we were both super easy going. Turns out, you were good at comps and I had to use that to my advantage. I wanted to maintain my relationship with you once the Lemonaid Stand crumbled and that's what I did, I knew I could also use you to get in with the A side despite the A vs B war going on (and it worked to a certain extent). When it was time to cut, I had to unfortunately cut you.

Our friendship was real but also strategic on my behalf.
Yeah as soon as the game started, I knew we were going to be best mates! And we still are! but let's talk about that last round I was in, you say you had to cut me, but would you voting differently have changed anything that round? Would you have used the veto on glen/amanda had you won to backdoor me? I'm not upset, I just don't think you claiming to have cut me says anything since it wasn't in your hands at all, unfortunately. This is not an attack, just me trying to get the truth.
 

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Glyn wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 8:36:27 pm
Jennie wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 8:32:31 pm
Glyn wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 8:25:52 pm

Wait what are you exactly referring to for reference in my speech? LOL sorry I just dont know what part haha
LOL it was this quote in your conclusion "Another example is in his speech when he said he planted seeds to Jennie and Sezer about how dangerous Amanda and I were when that move really holds no value because Jennie nor Sezer turned on Amanda and I the entire game so making note of that seems pointless."

From the one you gave just now, not your opening one obviously. Kind of a nit-picky thing but he did actually get me to try and turn on y'all, just didn't pan out for various reasons that don't have to do with him.
Ohh gotcha no yeah im sure he did do damage with not trusting us haha. I just felt like the point in general was invaluable because nothing really came out of it (like we never backstabbed you or vice versa). However, if that would've played out in the future then thats true I can see you also going against us. I can accept where im wrong 😅
Lol yeah it does say a lot though that even when I was in power I chose not to target you guys. Just wanted to give James the credit where it was due for planting that seed.
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Responding to one point I saw. Just because my influences on Jennie and sezer didn’t pan out doesn’t mean they weren’t good moves. The same with my influence on Chelsia. The point is they were setting me up for contingencies and scenarios to keep my options open as things progressed. you can’t vote based on only which plans panned out, because in the end almost every plan in the entire game was rendered meaningless by me sweeping comps in the endgame. If my own plans didn’t matter because I succeeded via comps anyway, I’m fine with that. I didn’t need to pursue all the other paths I had laid for myself
 

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Also if anyone cares, I definitely tried to make the season super fun for fans. That shouldn’t be how you are voting, but I did video DRs and lengthy posts all the time and did things like impressions of other people’s DRs. I think most people liked them other than Richard. But again, the fact that I was calling out Glyns game since day one in my dr’s is more for the fans than for you guys.
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Spiral wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 8:39:57 pm
Parker wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 8:36:12 pm @Spiral I believe that becoming friends with you was one of the better strategic moves I made this entire game. Once Natalie was taken out, I already felt a bit close to you and I knew we had to maintain an alliance of 4 to keep some semblance of power in the house and so I brought you in. I felt like we bonded early on as we were both super easy going. Turns out, you were good at comps and I had to use that to my advantage. I wanted to maintain my relationship with you once the Lemonaid Stand crumbled and that's what I did, I knew I could also use you to get in with the A side despite the A vs B war going on (and it worked to a certain extent). When it was time to cut, I had to unfortunately cut you.

Our friendship was real but also strategic on my behalf.
Yeah as soon as the game started, I knew we were going to be best mates! And we still are! but let's talk about that last round I was in, you say you had to cut me, but would you voting differently have changed anything that round? Would you have used the veto on glen/amanda had you won to backdoor me? I'm not upset, I just don't think you claiming to have cut me says anything since it wasn't in your hands at all, unfortunately. This is not an attack, just me trying to get the truth.
@Spiral Oh yeah for sure man I understand entirely why you see it that way. James at the time really wasn't sure who he wanted out. He was telling everyone different things (telling the F5 what they wanted to hear, you can probably obviously agree with this). So I have no idea who he truly wanted to bring to the end. For some reason he thought the other two were bigger threats so I couldn't really rely on his vote. I was sincerely thinking of making it a tie, just to stay in your good graces but I'm glad you understand why I had to do it. If I won veto (and I even told James this), I would have backdoored you. It was too late in the game and you were too big of a threat. In that scenario I wanted Amanda and Glyn as my F3 as I thought I could beat them. And I hope you believe me and don't think I'm just saying this in hindsight. James may not be reliable to corroborate this info but I assure you I told him I would do it. Part of it was to make sure he didn't put me up, but also because I knew I had to take you out then.
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I do want to emphasize one more time that I can see why people would think James played a good game and he did, I am fully aware of that. I just think its so easy to look at his flashy game move season and be like yep he deserves the win when I said in my speech there is a whole different 50% of it. I am not a big outspoken person, I am not big on arguing and fighting so yes I was not going to be THE front and center player getting all this blood everywhere. However, I was methodical and meticulous with what I did. Every move I made was carefully calculated so that I could get to the final 3 and I even got here with my number one Amanda all the way to the final 4 which is a huge deal in my eyes. Am I gonna go down this season as the crazy wild card guy, no, but I played the best to my ability and I think that is just as good as being the flashy player.
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Parker wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 8:28:16 pm
Amanda wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 8:21:11 pm @Parker

I need you to explain this strategy to me, because I don't think you were honest with the second question I had.
I have a really big problem with the way that you answered that.

I want to know why you were evicted, Sezer fucking up his vote isn't why, it's the tip of the iceberg.
I want to know why you were you nominated.
I want to know why you had 4 votes coming at you.
I want to know why you lied to @Susie saying that you had my vote, swaying her in the shah vote.
I want to know why you did something similar when you were on the block.
This seemed to be somewhat of a strategy? But I don't see you mention it.
1. I think Glyn answered this question already but I was basically running B side (without sounding too cocky). Glyn saw that I had my hand in every single cookie jar and he was scared of me. Adam was easy to manipulate because two B people would be going up anyways, and Adam put me up after Glyn pitched it (from what I can gather).
2. See question 1. You were tied to the hip to Glyn, so you we're going to vote with him, Susie was with Adam, Sheila I never talked to and so on and so forth.
3. I don't recall that exact conversation. But if I told someone else that I had your vote for shah it's probably because I either heard it straight from you or through word of mouth. I never made up something like that.
4. I do recall saying that I had your vote during my eviction, but that was an honest mistake on my behalf. I misread what Jennie sent me a few minutes before the ceremony and I used it to convince Sezer. Afterwards, Jennie corrected me (and she can testify to that) and then I rectified with Sezer.
5. It wasn't. It was an honest mistake. I misread Jennie's message (or it was a typo, I forget) and then I rectified.
Parker everytime I tried to talk strategy with you, you were always so closed up.
I knew that because you didn't even try to talk strategy, you had to be close with Chelsia.
Even when I won HOH I literally told everyone my backdoor plan but you.
That's fine that you had all of your hand in B's cookie jar, but you did nothing to strategize with me.
I dropped so many hints my HOH to TRY and strategize with you but you never would.
We talked more about viruses than game.

It's a big reason why I voted you out.
I wanted you to admit that in these questions you did not strategize with everyone before you won the battleback,
and that was a huge reason on why you were evicted.
I needed to hear what changed about that got you to the final 3.
I didn't see anything change, but I wanted to be wrong.
I don't think that you changed anything when you came back.

Even when you voted to KEEP me over Jennie, you didn't even try to make a short term deal, or any deal.
Like DUDE. You were saving my game at that moment, I would have made ANY deal to keep you safe if I could.
I just think that you missed out on some big opportunities to try and further your game.
 

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Continuing my point from above, the fact that I didn’t need all my plans to pay off because I won comps should be something positive for my game not negative. I tried multiple avenues and never stopped trying to find angles to advance my game
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BB Alpha wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 8:48:01 pm That time where the DRs had random capital letters was no code, it was just to fuck with you.
Aisleyne Amanda and I were up all night trying to solve this LMFAO
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Parker wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 8:46:06 pm
Spiral wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 8:39:57 pm
Parker wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 8:36:12 pm @Spiral I believe that becoming friends with you was one of the better strategic moves I made this entire game. Once Natalie was taken out, I already felt a bit close to you and I knew we had to maintain an alliance of 4 to keep some semblance of power in the house and so I brought you in. I felt like we bonded early on as we were both super easy going. Turns out, you were good at comps and I had to use that to my advantage. I wanted to maintain my relationship with you once the Lemonaid Stand crumbled and that's what I did, I knew I could also use you to get in with the A side despite the A vs B war going on (and it worked to a certain extent). When it was time to cut, I had to unfortunately cut you.

Our friendship was real but also strategic on my behalf.
Yeah as soon as the game started, I knew we were going to be best mates! And we still are! but let's talk about that last round I was in, you say you had to cut me, but would you voting differently have changed anything that round? Would you have used the veto on glen/amanda had you won to backdoor me? I'm not upset, I just don't think you claiming to have cut me says anything since it wasn't in your hands at all, unfortunately. This is not an attack, just me trying to get the truth.
@Spiral Oh yeah for sure man I understand entirely why you see it that way. James at the time really wasn't sure who he wanted out. He was telling everyone different things (telling the F5 what they wanted to hear, you can probably obviously agree with this). So I have no idea who he truly wanted to bring to the end. For some reason he thought the other two were bigger threats so I couldn't really rely on his vote. I was sincerely thinking of making it a tie, just to stay in your good graces but I'm glad you understand why I had to do it. If I won veto (and I even told James this), I would have backdoored you. It was too late in the game and you were too big of a threat. In that scenario I wanted Amanda and Glyn as my F3 as I thought I could beat them. And I hope you believe me and don't think I'm just saying this in hindsight. James may not be reliable to corroborate this info but I assure you I told him I would do it. Part of it was to make sure he didn't put me up, but also because I knew I had to take you out then.
Spiral was my top choice to get out at final 5, Glyn was second.
 

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