[Adam]

It speaks to how great of a game James played when Parker says you don't have to vote for me just please don't vote for James!

No it doesn't? It's called being realistic on who played a good game. It's funny but members of jury will agree with me. King Adam, how do you explain that?

That's Mr King Adam to you, friend

[Parker]

James saved me against the houses wishes.... It saved him a week... Social game can mean a lot more than being a nice guy. He used his relationships flexibly

Now, put yourself in someone else's shoes, read that sentence, and try not to laugh your ass off. Him saving you (and you seemingly being indebted to him for life by the looks of it) isn't indicative of a good social game.

[Amanda]

@Parker

I need you to explain this strategy to me, because I don't think you were honest with the second question I had.
I have a really big problem with the way that you answered that.

I want to know why you were evicted, Sezer fucking up his vote isn't why, it's the tip of the iceberg.
I want to know why you were you nominated.
I want to know why you had 4 votes coming at you.
I want to know why you lied to @Susie saying that you had my vote, swaying her in the shah vote.
I want to know why you did something similar when you were on the block.
This seemed to be somewhat of a strategy? But I don't see you mention it.

[Parker]

Oop you bring up some good points in your speech Parker. I do want to state for the record though that James and I made up before I left and I did come into questioning with an open mind. My vote currently though is still up for grabs, I'll make my final decision after I see everyone's responses throughout tonight.

@Jennie Sorry if I made it seem that way. I don't think anyone is that immature to keep grudges once this game is over. I sincerely apologize if my wording came off that way. I didn't mean that at all.

[Adam]

James was time and time again able to talk down his mistakes and make deals with the people that had issues with his game. The big moves you're referencing came with damage control. He made more moves than Glyn and bigger ones too. When James took shots - he hit them. Glyn missed.

[Glyn]

@Glyn I want you to tell me what you would have done had you won the final 4 hoh. Would you have kept Amanda to keep your final 2 or would you put James and Parker in the duel knowing that James could probably beat Parker easier than Amanda? (no offense buddy).

Hey Spiral no problem. I honestly I know this is not the answer people probably want me to give, but I can't lie that I would have taken Amanda. I am just a person that even Amanda and I were so close that I would not be capable of voting her out because of the relationship we built. However, even if Amanda and I were not close, I still would have probably taken her or Parker because I feel like in my mind I would have a chance to get votes like Adam for example who are clearly locked on James.

[Glyn]

James was time and time again able to talk down his mistakes and make deals with the people that had issues with his game. The big moves you're referencing came with damage control. He made more moves than Glyn and bigger ones too. When James took shots - he hit them. Glyn missed.

I did not miss though because my goal was to get either you OR susie out and that worked. Whoever stayed I wanted them to get targeted and you did so I do not consider I messed up with that move.

[Jennie]

@Glyn Good points in your speech but I do want to clarify something in the effort of fairness. I did actually want you and Amanda separated and tried to get her booted when she was up against Ais. It was when I realized that I wasn't going to get anywhere during that particularly vote that I retconned and did damage control, saying that I didn't want her to go, was just emotional etc. So I will say that James' efforts did influence me.

Also Sezer told me after the fact his vote was for Aisleyne but I don't think we'll be able to come to a solid conclusion on which way he actually voted until after the season lol

[Adam]

Yeah I vote for Amanda over you she at least pretended to hold her deal

[Jennie]

Oop you bring up some good points in your speech Parker. I do want to state for the record though that James and I made up before I left and I did come into questioning with an open mind. My vote currently though is still up for grabs, I'll make my final decision after I see everyone's responses throughout tonight.

@Jennie Sorry if I made it seem that way. I don't think anyone is that immature to keep grudges once this game is over. I sincerely apologize if my wording came off that way. I didn't mean that at all.

Oh no no sorry that was my wording messing up lol. You didn't come off that way, I just wanted to make it clear that I wasn't going to hold people to different standards to get my vote since you had mentioned James probably having to work harder to get mine. You're good, I could have worded that better haha

[Glyn]

@Glyn Good points in your speech but I do want to clarify something in the effort of fairness. I did actually want you and Amanda separated and tried to get her booted when she was up against Ais. It was when I realized that I wasn't going to get anywhere during that particularly vote that I retconned and did damage control, saying that I didn't want her to go, was just emotional etc. So I will say that James' efforts did influence me.

Also Sezer told me after the fact his vote was for Aisleyne but I don't think we'll be able to come to a solid conclusion on which way he actually voted until after the season lol

Wait what are you exactly referring to for reference in my speech? LOL sorry I just dont know what part haha

[BB Alpha]

You do not have to tag people when you quote their post.

[Spiral]

One thing I want to clarify as we discuss James' social game is not how he used relationships, but how he made people feel. Whether it affects the game or not, the way someone makes me feel, whether they are a good friend or not, is what social game means to me. I just feel like I barely got know James cause our conversations were almost strictly about gameplay, which can be a two way street in some ways I suppose. I never feel like James and I got to know each other's interests and such and that makes it hard to vote him over Glyn who did make an effort in that department.

[Parker]

@Parker

I need you to explain this strategy to me, because I don't think you were honest with the second question I had.
I have a really big problem with the way that you answered that.

I want to know why you were evicted, Sezer fucking up his vote isn't why, it's the tip of the iceberg.
I want to know why you were you nominated.
I want to know why you had 4 votes coming at you.
I want to know why you lied to @Susie saying that you had my vote, swaying her in the shah vote.
I want to know why you did something similar when you were on the block.
This seemed to be somewhat of a strategy? But I don't see you mention it.

1. I think Glyn answered this question already but I was basically running B side (without sounding too cocky). Glyn saw that I had my hand in every single cookie jar and he was scared of me. Adam was easy to manipulate because two B people would be going up anyways, and Adam put me up after Glyn pitched it (from what I can gather).
2. See question 1. You were tied to the hip to Glyn, so you we're going to vote with him, Susie was with Adam, Sheila I never talked to and so on and so forth.
3. I don't recall that exact conversation. But if I told someone else that I had your vote for shah it's probably because I either heard it straight from you or through word of mouth. I never made up something like that.
4. I do recall saying that I had your vote during my eviction, but that was an honest mistake on my behalf. I misread what Jennie sent me a few minutes before the ceremony and I used it to convince Sezer. Afterwards, Jennie corrected me (and she can testify to that) and then I rectified with Sezer.
5. It wasn't. It was an honest mistake. I misread Jennie's message (or it was a typo, I forget) and then I rectified.

[Glyn]

One thing I want to clarify as we discuss James' social game is not how he used relationships, but how he made people feel. Whether it affects the game or not, the way someone makes me feel, whether they are a good friend or not, is what social game means to me. I just feel like I barely got know James cause our conversations were almost strictly about gameplay, which can be a two way street in some ways I suppose. I never feel like James and I got to know each other's interests and such and that makes it hard to vote him over Glyn who did make an effort in that department.

I wrote about this in my novel LOL I know people dont care to read it so ill just post the part that I wrote about this from my opening statement in this thread:

"Some other things I saw James mention is me just being nice to people and learning “various random details” is really the only highlight of my jury management. Personally, I think this exact claim is why people think James has a bad social game. Learning various random things about people is a part of the social game because that shows you care and want to get to know them. Maybe learning little random facts is stupid to him, but thats what fostered my bonds with everyone because when somebody can repeat to you a little obscure fact about you, you feel listened to and appreciated. There is a psychology to playing a social game and understanding people so they can put their trust in you more than just sucking facts out of people for chess. What I personally think is a shortcoming of his game is the failure to acknowledge that there are human beings playing behind these characters, and not just robots. I don’t get to know people because I have to, it’s because I show that I actually want to. Its also about not kicking someone when their down like for example when Richard got eliminated, and James told me I shouldn’t be upset and Im taking it too personally that I got blindsided when all it was is that I was angry that I was blindsided. Of course its a game and nothing is personal and I did not take it as a personal attack either, but you also have to remember that everyone has emotions and that is what people lean on as a clutch when something like your best ally gets backstabbed. You might compare this situation with Richard similar to my HOH with Adam but a clear difference to me is I said to anyone during that time that I understand why he’s upset because that same thing happened to me where I felt betrayed; so Adam feeling betrayed and hurt by me is not invalid hence why I also told him in my speech I get it if he hates me because I burned him and a lot of people aren’t just going to sit there and take that."

[Adam]

I think even I would agree Glyn had a better social game, it's why he's there. He played the best social game in the house. I'm arguing James did not have a bad one. If James had a bad social game, he would have been out earlier. But he was able to slime his way through alliances and always had a bigger target in the house. He was more entertaining than Glyn.

[Jennie]

@Glyn Good points in your speech but I do want to clarify something in the effort of fairness. I did actually want you and Amanda separated and tried to get her booted when she was up against Ais. It was when I realized that I wasn't going to get anywhere during that particularly vote that I retconned and did damage control, saying that I didn't want her to go, was just emotional etc. So I will say that James' efforts did influence me.

Also Sezer told me after the fact his vote was for Aisleyne but I don't think we'll be able to come to a solid conclusion on which way he actually voted until after the season lol

Wait what are you exactly referring to for reference in my speech? LOL sorry I just dont know what part haha

LOL it was this quote in your conclusion "Another example is in his speech when he said he planted seeds to Jennie and Sezer about how dangerous Amanda and I were when that move really holds no value because Jennie nor Sezer turned on Amanda and I the entire game so making note of that seems pointless."

From the one you gave just now, not your opening one obviously. Kind of a nit-picky thing but he did actually get me to try and turn on y'all, just didn't pan out for various reasons that don't have to do with him.

[Amanda]

@Glyn I want you to tell me what you would have done had you won the final 4 hoh. Would you have kept Amanda to keep your final 2 or would you put James and Parker in the duel knowing that James could probably beat Parker easier than Amanda? (no offense buddy).

Hey Spiral no problem. I honestly I know this is not the answer people probably want me to give, but I can't lie that I would have taken Amanda. I am just a person that even Amanda and I were so close that I would not be capable of voting her out because of the relationship we built. However, even if Amanda and I were not close, I still would have probably taken her or Parker because I feel like in my mind I would have a chance to get votes like Adam for example who are clearly locked on James.

I would like to bring up that Glyn played a better game than I did, and if we would have went to F3 I think he has valid points that would beat me.

He was on the right side of every vote, always in the majority or in the driver's seat.
He was nominated less than me, and never on the block eviction night after the jury phase.
You guys thought I kept my target small when I was sitting next to comp beasts like @Jennie , @Spiral & social threats @Aisleyne @Sheila .
THIS MAN NEVER TOUCHED THE BLOCK EVICTION NIGHT


When Glyn was nominated pre-veto it was next to me both times.
I would have always went before Glyn, his target was that small.
@Susie even verbalized she was targeting me over Glyn her HOH.

[Glyn]

I think even I would agree Glyn had a better social game, it's why he's there. He played the best social game in the house. I'm arguing James did not have a bad one. If James had a bad social game, he would have been out earlier. But he was able to slime his way through alliances and always had a bigger target in the house. He was more entertaining than Glyn.

Ill be the first to admit that I am a pretty boring personality. I said it in all my DR's thats why I thanked the hosts for giving me the chance because im not a promising figure in the sense of entertainment and I get that. Im 19 and I go to college... crazy I know LMFAO. However, this game is not about being the most entertaining its getting to this point in the game doing the best of what you were capable of doing and I think I did that. I dont think I played it safe I made risks when I needed to do and I definitely dont think I sat back and watched the house do shit

[Parker]

I think even I would agree Glyn had a better social game, it's why he's there. He played the best social game in the house. I'm arguing James did not have a bad one. If James had a bad social game, he would have been out earlier. But he was able to slime his way through alliances and always had a bigger target in the house. He was more entertaining than Glyn.

That's literally factually incorrect. And you're even disagreeing with James' himself by saying this. Even he admits that comps in the end game is what got him here. He won his way to the end (BBCAN5 Kevin style, even with the horrible social game which is a bonus).